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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208266933" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208266933">(Aug 27 2020 at 19:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>So -- it seems like we're having problems moving FCPs along. =) e.g., the following charters have been stalled out for some time:</p>
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<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/issues/43">rust-lang/lang-team#43</a> -- <code>align(ptr)</code> </li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/issues/45">rust-lang/lang-team#45</a> -- declarative macro rep counts</li>
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<p>I'm wondering if we want to find another process here, such as using a synchronous meeting to process pending charters or other similar decisions?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208269926" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208269926">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure it helps to use a synchronous meeting; that mostly just serves the same purpose as @ ing the people at the meeting and saying "hey, can you check a box here". :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208269942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208269942">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>And it only pokes the people who are at the meeting. :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208271991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208271991">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>The idea would be that attendance at the meeting is mandatory if you want a say :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208272008" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208272008">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>An alternative would be to use more of a "Seconding" mechanism</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208272051" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208272051">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Another alternative would be for folks to check their boxes more quickly :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208272101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208272101">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>the main reason I was considering a meeting as a possibility though was that it may be useful to have dedicated time to do "planning of the things we'll be focusing on", and to be able to consider the choice more holistically, than "do I approve this particular proposal"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208272986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208272986">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>To that end: ping <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="127859">@Taylor Cramer</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256759">@boats</span>, who have not checked boxes on the above :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208273726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208273726">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>Seconding and time for objections seems reasonable to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208274741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208274741">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>While I'm pinging folks, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="127859">@Taylor Cramer</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256759">@boats</span> maybe take a look at <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/74160">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/74160</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208274843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208274843">(Aug 27 2020 at 20:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Done.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208283790" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Taylor Cramer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208283790">(Aug 27 2020 at 22:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208283977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Taylor Cramer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208283977">(Aug 27 2020 at 22:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Related: I have a hard time keeping up with GH notifications sometimes, and I was relying on rusty-dash to tell me about FCP checkboxes. It seems that site doesn't exist anymore-- is there a replacement I can / should look into?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208284210" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208284210">(Aug 27 2020 at 22:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://rfcbot.rs/">https://rfcbot.rs/</a> has a list of RFCs, not sure about FCPs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208284263" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208284263">(Aug 27 2020 at 22:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok yeah FCPs too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208295620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208295620">(Aug 28 2020 at 01:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me nods</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208295625" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208295625">(Aug 28 2020 at 01:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I use <a href="http://rfcbot.rs">rfcbot.rs</a> for that as well; I think that's the most up-to-date location.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208345616" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208345616">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="127859">Taylor Cramer</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn't.20work/near/208283977">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Related: I have a hard time keeping up with GH notifications sometimes, and I was relying on rusty-dash to tell me about FCP checkboxes. It seems that site doesn't exist anymore-- is there a replacement I can / should look into?</p>
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<p>ugh I feel you</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208345650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208345650">(Aug 28 2020 at 13:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've been putting real effort into it but the last few weeks I've fallen way behind again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208412461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208412461">(Aug 29 2020 at 02:29)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I don't know if this helps, but I find that github notifications feel much more painful as an interface than email does.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208412465" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208412465">(Aug 29 2020 at 02:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I never look at my github notifications, I just process my inbox.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208426267" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> RalfJ <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208426267">(Aug 29 2020 at 09:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn't.20work/near/208412461">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> I don't know if this helps, but I find that github notifications feel much more painful as an interface than email does.</p>
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<p>that's why I configured GH to get notifications via email. works pretty well for me. (together with some custom filters to sort things into appropriate folders.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp%20doesn%27t%20work/near/208600644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/fcp.20doesn&#x27;t.20work.html#208600644">(Aug 31 2020 at 18:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm aware of the potential to use e-mail but it's not primarily about the interface</p>



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